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Grateful Dead Live at P.N.E. Coliseum on 1974-05-17

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Grateful Dead Live at P.N.E. Coliseum on 1974-05-17

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Promised Land, Deal, The Race is On, Ramble On Rose, Jack Straw, Dire Wolf, Beat It On Down The Line, Loose Lucy, Big River, It Must Have Been The Roses, Mexicali Blues, Row Jimmy, Playin' In The Band U.S. Blues, Me & My Uncle, Ship of Fools, Money Money, China Cat Sunflower-> I Know You Rider, Greatest Story Ever Told, Sugaree, Truckin'-> Nobody's Fault But Mine-> Eyes Of The World-> China Doll, Sugar Magnolia

Collection GratefulDead
Band/Artist Grateful Dead
Venue P.N.E. Coliseum
Location Vancouver, BC, Canada

Source Soundboard
Lineage possible SBD cass master>1 cass> DAT> 1 cass gen> DAT
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updated source: Andy Gustin and Jay Ashley report this could be the SBD
cass master>1 cass> DAT> 1 cass gen> DAT version noted on Tiedrich's
(had been marked mSR> DAT> CDR> Toast Audio Extraction> SHN);
via Andy Gustin; 9/11/73 filler


Reviewer: 1973 is the year for me - favoritefavorite - June 30, 2015
Subject: Tuning
Like Cariboo Kid, I too was at that show, and remember the ENDLESS tuning in between songs.. the audience was getting very impatient, many left. Commander Cody upstaged the Dead that night for sure.
Reviewer: clementinescaboose - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - February 14, 2011
Subject: Update 2/14/11
After giving this show a few more thorough listens, i feel compelled to change my rating to a five.

lots of hot little tunes are tucked away in this one, including great versions of Deal, Ramble On Rose, Greatest Story, and Big River - Garcia's second solo, wow! And i believe this is the Money Money featured as a bonus track on the expanded Mars Hotel?

I think now that this Eyes is one of the very best ever - everything is just exactly perfect. and like i said before, Phil's soloing is just exceptional; jerry even joins in during the second one leading a gorgeous, wonderfully jazzy duet between them. the way they intertwine during the minor key passages is just awesome. i don't believe there are many better examples of this...


this is a nice little show tucked in between some real monsters, the highlights for me definitely being the really hot China>Rider, and the Truckin'>Nobody's>EOTW. bobby's lyrical flubs in truckin are probably the worst ever, but it makes me laugh more than cringe. the Eyes is fantastic, phil's soloing i found especially compelling and very melodic.

hyperboy i'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree w/ you on one point; while this isn't one of the best shows of the year (and 2/24 certainly is) i think this China Cat is much better. 2/24 does have a gorgeous ujb-like jam, but i think that jam as a whole is a bit ragged. you can tell the one here is much tighter and more rehearsed (maybe SINCE '69! lol)
Reviewer: Sedula - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - June 10, 2009
Subject: Feelin' Groovy
I'm sorry but the jam in the middle of China/Rider is NOT Feelin' Groovy. It sounds a lot like it but it is not the same chord progression. This progression goes D/A/Bminor/A, while Feelin' Groovy descends from D and does not go up to the B minor. It does sound a lot like Feelin' Groovy but technically it is not from the chords they play and the chords on Feelin' Groovy. Just a techinical note for all you guitar players.
Reviewer: JamminJerome - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - May 12, 2008
Subject: terriffic 4.5 star show
This show is stellar, front to back. Donna's under control and the jams are HOT. UJB jam during China Cat and St Stephen Jam during GSET, plus the Nobody's Fault jam, etc. It's all about the segues, which are my favorite!!! Plus, there's a Money Money, and I love that song. My only complaint is that the first set is a little light prior to the Playin'. This is to me a 4.5 star show. In some years, I'd round this up to a 5, but in this strong year, I have to give it a 4.
Reviewer: @cherry pickin - China Doll - - October 11, 2007
Subject: Mysterious Eyes>ChinaDoll Drop Mars an Otherwise Delectable Dead Dirge
I was cherry pickin' china dolls from '74 '75 and came across this one, it's nice. I started to like it so much that after a couple a listens it really started to bother me that the first few seconds were missing from the begining of the track. I attributed this to my having only got the China Doll track and thusly the track cut from Eyes>China must have been to blame, so I finally got around to grabbing the Eyes and threw 'em both in winamp but unfortunately the missing begining of China Doll is not in fact at the very end of Eyes, it's just not there at all so I agree with the comment Chris Barry made in 2004 about the Eyes>China Doll cut.

It's tough because you miss the first few lines, both verbal and orchestral, from China Doll after a great segue out of Eyes. The missing data seems to be at the beginning of China Doll as distinct from the end of Eyes, but that's just where they made the cut for individual tracks, either way it's just not there, beggars and choosers though.

Well, this show was within one month of my birth day in my birth year so I'm partial to the shows within this 6 month window anyways just get kinda excited when i see the date before listening.

Wish we could still get .shn of all the sound boards without reverse engineering it etc etc ad nausea ad infinitum.
Reviewer: gruUbic - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - May 28, 2007
Subject: 17 may 1974
yo! get past the first tune f*ups!
get past that this show is Canadian...

Bar none, one of the greatest shows ever told --w/ Donna.

Fine recording
Great output
Nice energy
Excellent board
Setlist yumyum
(I think Jer MIGHT be on somethin')
were it not for first tune FUBARS
...well, and the Donna'd be a 5...sin dudo...

Fudge y'all

this is WAY worthy...
Reviewer: Burnt Rich - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - May 18, 2007
Subject: Outstanding!
Great show-great sound. Bobby is a snarlin' the whole way through. Lots of energy and new material from mars Hotel to play with. Very well rounded out setlist from this night. All sorts of different flavors to choose from. Don't pass up a couple hours with this one.
Reviewer: Wally Gator - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - April 7, 2007
Subject: Playin' is Sick!
I love how you guys use words descriptive terms like "sick" or "ridiculous." Let me say that this Playin'in the Band is SICK! It's RIDICULOUS!
Reviewer: Herm Dog - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - December 10, 2006
Subject: Jam Between China>Rider
This goes out to all of the previous reviews for this show. In my opinion, I think that it is a complete waste of time to sit, and pinpoint what jam is between China>Rider since you could try for hours. Though, I think that during the period when they played this you couldn't ask for a better version. So, here is my opinion even though it probably doesn't matter to anyone else. I think that we should stick to calling this just whatever the hell you want to call it. I think if you call it something, we'll always no what your talking about.
Reviewer: tree-ap - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - July 21, 2006
Subject: '74 BABY!!
Just another great piece of '74 magic. Yea, it's not real jam heavy, but the performance is pretty damn good. I've only given 4 stars because comparing it with other GREAT '74 shows this is how it comes up in my book. Remember that we ALL hear/feel/taste something different when we're LISTENING to The Grateful Dead.
Reviewer: captain_trip_420 - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - September 8, 2005
Subject: not UJB, not MLB
The jam is called "Feelin' Groovey Jam" and what a F'in jam it is, 10-17-74 winterland has a great one, also on the GD movie the bonus features has a multi-track special..CHECK it OUT
Reviewer: hyperboy - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - September 7, 2005
Subject: China>UJB jam>Rider
OK. I can not believe so many people do not know about this jam...and also how many people think it is Mind Left Body jam. It is not MLB jam. MLB jam is completely unrelated to this segue jam. If you want a MLB jam, listen to 10/17/74 - Spanish Jam > MLB jam.

The UJB-like segue from China>Rider made its debut in a spring 1973 show (5/26/73 is really cool)...and survived through the 5 night Winterland run in 10/74. Although it is in a totally different key than UJB, it has that sort of groove to it. Anyway, this one is just OK. IMO, the best ever UJB-like segue jam is 2/24/74 Winterland! Damn! Jerry's tone is just crystal clear and in your face...he really nails it with a special touch this night! The one on the bonus disc from the movie does not touch 2/24/74.

This show is good...but it does not touch 2/24/74, 5/19/74, 6/18/74, 10/74 Winterland run (especially 10/19/74), or any show from Nov-Dec 73!
Reviewer: Darkstarlsd - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - August 16, 2005
Subject: from eyes to china....
one f the sweetest transitions ever by the boys...... wasnt quite caught bye the tape here in..... (BUMMER).... but all in the same .....grateful passages to the china doll... looking through eyes of the world and to come out a china doll...seems mystical..... pleasure zone is served .....Peace my friends...
Reviewer: Darkstarlsd - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - August 16, 2005
Subject: from eyes to china....
one f the sweetest transitions ever by the boys...... wasnt quite caught bye the tape here in..... (BUMMER).... but all in the same .....grateful passages to the china doll... looking through eyes of the world and to come out a china doll...seems mystical..... pleasure zone is served .....Peace my friends...
Reviewer: cincygman - favoritefavoritefavorite - August 11, 2005
Subject: Donna
Donna was part of the band, man accept it. This version of "Money Money" wouldn't be without Donna
Reviewer: aroooonstin - favoritefavoritefavorite - June 6, 2005
Subject: not uncle johns band
its not ujb between china and rider, its mind left body jam....and it happens in all 73/74 china>riders.
Reviewer: deadfan54 - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - May 6, 2005
Subject: UJB tease
I went back and listened again after reading all of your postings, and I hear a little Uncle Johns Band in between China Cat and Rider. Very cool, had never noticed that before in this show.

Also, check out the very next song, Greatest Story, theres a small St. Stephen tease about 3:15 in. Anyone else hear that?

Otherwise the show is excellent, but lacks some of the crazier second set jams that mark the very best shows from this summer.
Reviewer: Chris Barry - favoritefavoritefavorite - November 16, 2004
Subject: Too Much Static
While the show does have good energy, and the China>Rider is well-played, there is constant backround static throughout. Also, the sound is maxed out on many of the tunes, with the higher notes becoming distorted. Even during the fine China>Rider, Garcia's guitar and voice both distort at the high end. On one of the other reviews, Ox Fall Down raves about the UJB in the middle of China Cat. I think maybe he's taken a few too many trips. I don't here any UJB anywhere in this tune. With so many crisper shows from this time period, such as the one three nights earlier at The Adams Field House, why bother? Performance is definitely 5 stars, but poor quality sound drops it down to 3.
One more thing... No one mentions that the second set jam is cut. The transition from Eyes > China Doll fades out and then the first lines of China Doll are missing. I suggest getting the China>Rider and the Sugaree, and leave the rest.
Reviewer: agman - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - October 23, 2004
Subject: Only in Canada, Pity !!
It must be the good vibe we Canadians give , but if you want some inside advice every single show the boys played here just rocks, they make me take off, Eh !!!

Only draw back of this show..... DONNA BLOWS.... she is just brutal in money money.
Reviewer: Ox Fall Down - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - September 19, 2004
Subject: Playing Uncle John's
in the middle of China>Rider gets an A+.
Reviewer: Ox Fall Down - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - September 19, 2004
Subject: Playing Uncle John's
in the middle of China>Rider gets an A+.
Reviewer: Cariboo Kid - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - August 5, 2004
Subject: Eyewitness account
My most vivid memories of that night were the seemingly endless tuning sessions between songs and the oppressive heat of the P.N.E. Coliseum. I also seem to remember that Commander Cody put on a better show that night than the Dead. In retrospect however, after listening to the music again after just over 30 years, I obviously didn't appreciate what I was hearing and experiencing at the time.
Reviewer: dr. flashback - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - July 12, 2004
Subject: Mars Hotel Live!
What is it about May? 5/70, 5/72, 5/74 and 5/77? Maybe it's the spring buds! This show could easily be a top ten, were it not for so many other 1974 greats. Maybe one of the crispiest, best sounding Wall shows of 74, and the playing is just "Dead on". Every song skillfully executed. The China Cat -well it's as if they've been rehearsing this song since 1969 just so they could play it NOW. I dare you to find a better 1970's China Rider! Long and well jammed with energy to spare. And if you like Mars Hotel - this is your show! Loose Lucy, US Blues, Money Money, Ship of Fools and China Doll all appear. Add Unbroken Chain and Scarlet and you'd have the whole album! Though not as jam intensive as 1974 shows with Dark Stars or Other Ones, the Playin is VERY decent, and the Nobody's Fault Jam into Eyes may be the best of the year. A good show to take in your car. Also a rare Dire Wolf from Jerry! Get this one soon folks and crank it up on a good system. It sparkles.
Dr. Flashback ;-)
Reviewer: mid-maine - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - May 24, 2004
Subject: china>rider
i agree with the comments below. though i love the intro to the providence version the following month, this is my all-time favorite china>rider. phil is a monster on it! jerry, bobby and billy are crisp. phil's back up vocals add an old-days quality. after having worn out an old dead hour cassette version, i've sought out every digital disc copy i could find. sound quality here rates with the gdlive version. get it.
Reviewer: TPryde - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - May 4, 2004
Subject: china rider galloping down from mars
There a several reasons to get this show; crisp sound, Billy the K's tight jazz propulsion, the barely played Money Money (Bobby's Mars Hotel version of Dupree's?) and a fine '74 set list. But THE Reason you really have to have this one is the China Cat > Rider. In the year of the Uncle John's Mind Left His Body jams between the two, this is the top of the heap, a stunning crescendo in the key of joy. Dig it, and dig it very soon.
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